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By rusty in Site News

Mon Sep 10, 2007 at 01:09:20 PM EST

Tags: meta, paysite ( all tags)

I'm sure you've heard of Walled Gardens and Gated Communities; exclusive preserves of desirable content or location only accessable to paying members. Well, not being one to get left behind, I have created here on K5 what might be the internet's first "Walled Ghetto." An exclusive preserve of dysfunctional social interaction and semi-undesirable content.

Ok, wise-assery aside, as per the changes discussed below, I have turned new signups back on but there is now a one-time $5.00 fee to obtain posting rights. Everyone who already has an account still has it -- you've been grandfathered (or grandmothered) in by virtue of signing up during the first seven years of the site's existence. So it's true, the early bird really does get the worm! Way to go.

Read on for a few more details and specifics.

First, to repeat: if you are here already with a user account, you don't have to pay anything. A lot of people seemed to be worried that I was going to shut everyone's access off and extort a payment from all of you. That's not going to happen.

Also, a few of you have noticed the expanded hotlist stuff. I got rid of the old premium member subscription, and enabled those features for everyone. If you haven't noticed it, look in the right-hand sidebar. You now have automatic reply tracking ("Replies"), a convenient list of your own recent stories, and a Diary watchlist in addition to the old Hotlist. You also can use spellcheck now on your stories, diaries, and comments.

The ad-free monthly subscription option still exists, for $2.00 a month.

The background of this is basically that dupe accounts had become fairly epidemic, and harassment and flooding a scripted sport here of late, and something had to change. The theory is that with less abuse, the site will be more fun to use, therefore more people will use it, and a small fee yto join will help ensure that they have a stake in the site as well.

The alternative theory, supported by a good many of you in the comments to the original discussion of this is that everything will go to hell, because no one would ever pony up the price of one beer for posting rights here. I don't know which theory is right, which makes it a worthwhile experiment, I think. So let's see what happens.

The other oft-expressed concern is that people will be banned for no reason and without warning. We do have a warning system, and with this change (and knowledge that coming back from a ban is going to cost you something) we will be a hell of a lot more liberal about issuing warnings and a lot less quick to ban anyone. For my part, I consider the slate clean -- I'm going to proceed as though everyone here is a well-intentioned new user. So, welcome to K5 everyone. No one is going to be banned without any warnings.

Some people said they believe there are no clear rules and no administrative activity. This is really not true. The rules are:

  • Treat others how you would like to be treated

  • Don't be personally abusive to other members

  • And the basic standard global rules of minimally-acceptable online behavior, like don't post commercial spam

It's not that complicated. None of the above prohibits trolling or high-spririted stupidity, provided that the people participating are willing. No, the above is not a detailed list of allowed and prohibited behavior, but on the other hand, we aren't in kindergarten here. The longer the list of specific rules, the more time everyone spends trying to poke legal loopholes through them. I am not a lawyer. I don't expect any of you to be.

As for administrative accessability, if anyone doesn't know already, you can always quickly (where "quickly" can mean "within up to a half day or so") report abuse to an admin by going to an abusive user's profile page (i.e. mine if you hate this change) and writing a note in the "Report Abuse" form on the left side. Please do be specific, and URLs help a lot. We look at these reports all the time, and we do take action on them if warranted.

I think that's it. Oh, I dropped the original idea of hashing payment info to restrict people to one signup. Firstly, you guys convinced me that it wouldn't work (gift cards and so forth), secondly enough people seemed to be concerned about the security of the idea that I'd rather avoid that unless it was absolutely necessary, and finally, I'm not really sure it would serve any purpose. If you like screwing around here enough to pay me for the privilege, I guess that's ok for now.

Also, payment is via the normal subscription system, and is credit card (Visa/MC), paypal, or check or untraceable money order by mail, in case you're super-worried about your pseudonymity. I repeat that I really don't care who you are, and you should take as many precautions as you feel are necessary to maintain as much anonymity as you are comfortable with.

And finally, you can sign up and buy an ad without paying for an account. If the ad is approved, your account will be activated automatically.

Sorry for the somewhat scattered list of "oh yeahs" here. I probably forgot something else, so ask me below if I did. And thanks for hanging in there with K5. You guys do make life more interesting. :-)

Abuse report filed $ ( 3.00 / 42) ( #1)

by loteck on Mon Sep 10, 2007 at 01:13:25 PM EST

--

"You're in tune to the musical sound of loteck hi-fi, the musical sound that moves right round. Keep on moving ya'll." - Mylakovich

"WHAT AN ETERNAL MOBIUS STRIP OF FELLATIATIC BANALITY THIS IS." - Harry B Otch

  • pants on fire by rusty, 09/10/2007 01:14:35 PM EST ( 2.91 / 12)
  • 5 bucks by infaustus, 10/30/2007 12:03:32 PM EST ( none / 0)

several of us are usually available on irc.slashnet.org, if you need us.

immediate response isn't guaranteed because we're all busy, but responses do come eventually.

Did you att the pay-to-ban option? ( 2.85 / 14) ( #4)

by fluxrad on Mon Sep 10, 2007 at 01:52:14 PM EST

I've got $3.99 up for CTS, in case anyone wants to throw anything in the kitty.

This is a step in the right direction. Sure, content may dry up in the short term (I actually don't think even that will happen), but in the long term methinks this will lead to less crapflooding and a higher signal to noise ratio. Plus, I'm already in - including my ever-so-valuable dupe accounts, so screw the dirty hippies that didn't jump on the bandwagon soon enough.

I'd like to reiterate my call for an expanded diary feature set, though. It might not improve the quality of content, but it would improve the quantity you'd find on the front page. More voltage means more readers means more signups means better content, and you get the rest...

And by "rest" I mean, more manacle polish for Captain Rust.

--

"It is seldom liberty of any kind that is lost all at once."

-David Hume

How about turning back on images then? ~ ( 2.42 / 7) ( #5)

by thugsonfilm on Mon Sep 10, 2007 at 01:57:53 PM EST

A few questions/statements for you ( 2.14 / 7) ( #6)

by Troll Hard on Mon Sep 10, 2007 at 01:58:57 PM EST

#1 How much will it cost to get an anonymized (banned) account back to normal status? I'd like to be able to post as my old Orion Blastar account.

#2 Treat others how you would like to be treated, is sort of a ninja rule I have followed. I treat others the way they treat me, as I figure they "Treat others how they would like to be treated" which means if they zero bomb me, I zero bomb them back, if they harass me I harass them back. Plus so many people told me to go kill myself that I did kill Orion Blastar using the Norjak account in November 2004 via a Cyber Suicide that got both the Orion Blastar and Norjak accounts anonymized, but the members who kept telling me to kill myself never got anonymized. I figured they wanted me to die figuratively instead of literally, plus it made the ultimate troll, and got rid of my real life suicidal thoughts I had in my head.

#3 When I first joined Kuro5hin, I was normal and didn't bother anyone. I had fun joking around like anyone else. But then people started to mess with me, harass me, call me names, insult my intelligence, and generally be abusive to me here on Kuro5hin, on Husi, on IWETHEY until the stress and abuse I got online combined with the stress and abuse I got from my job turned me into the person I am now known as, and forced me on disability. I always wanted to reform, but nobody ever gave me the chance. If I did something I didn't consider bad, like talking from my personal experience or talking about me or parts of my life, people abused me and treated me like a cat that missed the litterbox. Fuck that shit, if your new policies prevent that sort of abuse, maybe I can heal up and get better.

#4 If I can take focus off the trolling, I should be able to write some good stories. Which is the real reason I joined Kuro5hin around 1998 or whatever, and got distracted from because of all the abuse I suffered. I am currently working on a story about BitTorrent and posted an idea and draft to my diary. I hope that the dupe hordes don't vote down my story like they did my Orion Blastar fiction stories that was being approved, until the dupes started to vote it down, and I countered by dupe voting my own to balance out the negative dupe votes with positive ones. How come you accept dupe votes that vote down stories, but reject ones that vote up stories? A lot of good stories got voted down by dupe votes, and this has been a problem at Kuro5hin ever since before I joined here. BTW I decided to theme my helpful stories as "Ask A Psychopath" since everyone here considers me insane by their standards anyway.

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Be careful what you wish for, you just might get it! Mind over Matter Fringe Science for the win!

the admin hassle of dealing with the spellchecking bot, nights in white satin bullshit, etc. if i was adminning the site, i would do it to

but of course, this will dramatically impact new users (such as they are, hard to tell in the constant dupe hordes). $5 versus free, it might as well be 2 cents versus free, or $2,000 versus free: no one wants to deal with the hassle of paying anything. they expect free. the perception of value when you are first using the site, versus the perception of value after using it for awhile, is such that you need to hook them with free to begin with

but again, i understand why you did it. the admin overhead headache must be a nightmarish

however, i like this comment of mine:

http://www.kuro5hin.org/comments/2007/9/6/13198/22082/64#64

"new users can only comment. then later they can mod comments, then later they can have a diary, then later they can post stories"

sort of a throttled, gradual intriduction to further abilities: only comment once an hour at first... after a few ok posts, increase that threshold... after a few more good posts, over an extended period of time, allow a diary (at a certain rate over a certain time frame)... then allow stories

but even better is this comment:

http://www.kuro5hin.org/comments/2007/9/6/13198/22082/107#107

"Google solved the problem of dupes using SMS: they ask you to send an SMS to some number and then they return a secret code. Of course they store a hash of the phone number and don't allow more registrations from that number.

Will it work outside USA?"

use sms. then you have to be a committed troll with a number of cell phones (assuming there isn't some sort of skype multiple number hack that takes sms that i don't know about)

I'm making a Low Budget HDV Filipino Horror Movie in NYC

--

It's hard to be humble when even Mr Bigballs rates me as #1 Kuro5hit.

wampsy: hey ray why don't you start up a site. you could call it ray5.

rusty: I gotta fix that stupid cancel bug.

booger: How's that for daring to get ray eckson all sniffy, you cow?

poopy: Not that I'm gay or anything, but for you I might make an exception.

"I'm going to proceed as though everyone here is a well-intentioned new user."

I'll be sure to pass that along to Jason.

My name is LilDebbie and I have a garden.

- hugin -

A missed opportunity: steer k5 towards meritocracy ( 3.00 / 5) ( #17)

by glor on Mon Sep 10, 2007 at 02:17:44 PM EST

I was about to submit an expanded version of this to the queue, but why bother now?

It should stay free to comment and submit stories.  It should cost to vote and to publish diaries --- that's where the problems have been.  Five dollars is a reasonable cost.  Better, in the spirit of the K5 experiment with democratic publishing, is full membership upon a published story.

Oh well.

--

Disclaimer: I am not the most intelligent kuron.

No spelling check, no warn button anywhere (never had that), no diary watch-list. I feel like a gay gypsy in a WWII Warsaw ghetto.

And I still can't rate comments, although I don't want to as that's yet another waste of time.

--

It's hard to be humble when even Mr Bigballs rates me as #1 Kuro5hit.

hay rusty - i can't delete anonymized stories from ( 3.00 / 3) ( #21)

by insomnyuk on Mon Sep 10, 2007 at 02:19:28 PM EST

my hotlist. Also, now would be a very good time to allow image posting. Just some basic rules - no pr0n, no images larger than 100k, basic h x w limit (like 400x400), and only on the inside section of individual entries, like it works on dailykos. Obviously, remotely linked images would present problems, so maybe you could whitelist certain photo hosting domains like photobucket and flickr.com which have no pr0n rules (i mean, flickr allows nudity, but yeah).

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"There is only one honest impulse at the bottom of Puritanism, and that is the impulse to punish the man with a superior capacity for happiness." - H.L. Mencken

Yes but what good is a rainbow ( 2.71 / 7) ( #35)

by DK4 Bloo on Mon Sep 10, 2007 at 02:38:14 PM EST

in the land of escalators?

:-)

We are united, we are fools, and we are America!

Suggestion - allow people to purchase back ( 3.00 / 7) ( #42)

by xC0000005 on Mon Sep 10, 2007 at 02:52:59 PM EST

just take it easy on us OCD types and at least give a warning or two before banning. you could cut off the oxygen real easy if you go ballistic.

whiping the slate clean for our anonymized accounts as well. I'd like to sell them on ebay for a dollar each. well, nycmilanochick17 would fetch 2 bucks i'm sure!

Also, you should add to your rules to community accounts like superawesome. It's not obvious that's prohibited from your rough guidelines.

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HR 1207 HR 1207 HR 1207 HR 1207

What exactly are "posting rights?" Does this mean you can't submit to the queue without paying, or that you can't even write a comment? What about diaries?

  • Yes by rusty, 09/10/2007 03:54:47 PM EST ( none / 1)

don't forget to pay your $5 posting fee ( 2.33 / 12) ( #76)

by dongs on Mon Sep 10, 2007 at 04:04:14 PM EST

you cock-smoking teabaggers

And so it begins....$ ( 2.00 / 2) ( #86)

by V on Mon Sep 10, 2007 at 04:43:15 PM EST

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What my fans are saying:

"That, and the fact that V is a total, utter scumbag." VZAMaZ.

"well look up little troll" cts.

"I think you're a worthless little cuntmonkey but you made me lol, so I sigged you." re

"goodness gracious you're an idiot" mariahkillschickens

since you included subscriber features. Have you thought of adding any further features to K5? Hell if you even just had a list of code that would be accepted, I think you might find some willing submissions.

As it is though, I can't be bothered to piss around with Scoop and write up a feature that I'd likely have to argue into existence, or give to Husi (which would be totally gay).

While K5's undergoing this renaissance, why not take it to the next level? Post up some sort of featurelist, or hell, create a diary where we can post our own and know you'll actually read the damned thing. A lot of the trolls here aren't idiots, they're just trolling because it's the thing to do.

Take this as an opportunity to clean shit up and maybe we can restore K5 to its former glory.

P.S.  Also add K5 and Husi to the spellchecker.

-- Josh Smith recommends you take a hulver hike.

Let's say I get anonymised, but can pay to get a new account. Can I get my old account name back for a low, low payment of 5 bucks?

And I said it earlier but I'll say it again: welcome to K$5! (Or K5$)

(Seriously, though, thanks for the spellcheck).

Solving the crapflooding and votebombing issues has always seemed to be the major thing with k5. Look at the bot attack against localrogers Passages part 2 for example.

Oh, and rusty, have you or any other moderator looked at all those ghosts accounts and done anything about them? Because otherwise you've just grandfathered in a botnet into k5 at the same time.

Seriously rusty. ( 1.71 / 7) ( #103)

by V on Mon Sep 10, 2007 at 05:48:14 PM EST

Why don't you just shut down K5?

Maybe then we'll be able to move on with our lives. Some will go to 4chan, SA, fark, husi, other will be back groveling to /. too.

You are like the high school girlfriend that breaks up with you but hints that she still loves you. Your love dies a slow death while trying to win her back.

We have been watching K5 die for a long time now. The golden years are long gone.

Please, just euthanize it already.

V.

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What my fans are saying:

"That, and the fact that V is a total, utter scumbag." VZAMaZ.

"well look up little troll" cts.

"I think you're a worthless little cuntmonkey but you made me lol, so I sigged you." re

"goodness gracious you're an idiot" mariahkillschickens

the untraceable money order, I like this because I would pay $5 a head to dupe up some hoards. On the other hand, this will probably make you put a field in the user record "paid by anon money order."

Anyways, will be an interesting time for k5.

"I use this dupe for modbombing and impersonating a highly paid government worker"

- army of phred

Ooh, ooh! Can we get finder's fees? ( 3.00 / 11) ( #106)

by creature on Mon Sep 10, 2007 at 05:55:11 PM EST

I want a link at the end of the diaries and stories that says something like "Want to respond? Sign up now!". That way, if I make someone so incensed that they pony up $5.00, I get a slice of the action. It's only fair.

well all of us grandparented in.  we're grandparents!  and really, it's so much better than being a parent.

Well isn't that just fucking nice ( 3.00 / 6) ( #115)

by ksandstr on Mon Sep 10, 2007 at 06:17:57 PM EST

Just so we're clear on one thing: does, or does not, calling hulver an unclefucker in between the lines to his face in a diary lamenting his dead brother-of-parent merit a ban? Because that was one of the funniest single moments of K5 history, and I'd hate to see anyone else get "stick'd".

F in.

and plus all you fucking cock-wangles have to be nice to me for fear of being baninated.

The coolest bit is all my previously worthless dupes now have combined value of ~$100. See I told you guys not to misbehave and get anonymised. I'm arguably now the richest person on the island. Now I just have to wait for the $K5 dollar to firm.

Why couldn't you just stay dead? - zombie HollyHopDrive

wampsy: hey ray why don't you start up a site. you could call it ray5.

rusty: I gotta fix that stupid cancel bug.

booger: How's that for daring to get ray eckson all sniffy, you cow?

poopy: Not that I'm gay or anything, but for you I might make an exception.

works for metafilter nt ( 3.00 / 4) ( #138)

by buford on Mon Sep 10, 2007 at 07:50:20 PM EST

--

'I'd rather see my sister in a whorehouse than in a disco.'

It's not much fun at the top. I envy the common people, their hearty meals and Bruce Springsteen and voting. -- SIGNOR SPAGHETTI

So long, and thanks for all the fish.

It was fun while it lasted.

Guess I'll go see if Husi is worth reading.

  • I'll miss you! by Just this guy, 09/11/2007 12:20:26 PM EST ( 3.00 / 2)

Plus, getting something for free - even if it's only five bucks - feels fantastic.

Best "interesting female" (impersonator): redqueen. - sausalito

And so K5 rejoins my list of daily visits. I'll try and think of something to write and maybe post to the queue. ESC[78;89;13p ESC[110;121;13p

Something this dumb is usually born of arrogance. I find it laughable that anyone here would believe for a second that there is any incentive left for someone new to come along and post something meaningful and interesting enough to generate discussion (a paid privilege now). The community is now stale, period, and attrition and turnover will run their course and kill this site off for good. Who the fuck wants to create content for a mummified community?

Everyone behind this decision: you're a goddamn idiot. This has got to be the first content site ever where users are required to pay to submit (rather than consume) content that the site requires for its very survival. Even without taking dupes into account, the average discussion's aggregate uid here has always climbed higher as time has gone on. Well, no shit! People leave, new people show up, and good content ensures that there are hopefully more of the latter than the former so the site can thrive. Wow, just wow.

I would mention something about sharks and jumping at this point but whatever. If this wasn't a blindingly obvious retard move to you before, you won't get it now. This decision is just too fucking stupid to last. I'm trying to decide what's the funnier thought: rusty eating all the crow taking it all back again because no one would ever pay for the privilege of contributing to this navel gazing herd of morons, or this idea persisting until the site is well and truly dead past the point of no return.

Freiheit ist immer auch die freiheit des anderen.

You, and everyone else in the United States (or any other industrialized western country) may consider it chump change, just about equal to the cost of a morning latte at Starbucks, however for people in developing countries, 5 dollars is a lot of money, well, a lot more than a morning latte anyway and many more people outside the industrialized world  may find 5 dollars unaffordable.

5 dollars roughly translates to 350 Kenyan shillings, 200 Indian rupees, 40 Chinese yuan and 10 Brazilian real. You're essentially shutting people from these countries out. Not very democratic in my opinion...unless you *want* to shut out people outside the US and EU.

I have no problem with the new K5. ( none / 1) ( #169)

by Brogdel on Mon Sep 10, 2007 at 11:44:48 PM EST

Thanks for letting me stay. I get real crazy here sometimes, you even called me a retard once. That's okay, bad attention is better than no attention at all. I've no interest in cider but I've been known to 'still a few gallons of brandy and 'shine. I hope your new baby is fine, I have two myself. They're the only thing that motivates me to go on sometimes.

I think the main problem here is gonna be attracting new members. K5 has been engaged in a whole lot of super-meta navel gazing that's inaccessible to most lurkers. If it continues (with the added $5 bar for entry) this place is gonna get barren real quick except for the usual cast of regulars.

I would suggest two tweaks to this:

1)New users can make a free account, but that account can only post comments. $5 to post diaries, stories, rate comments, and vote on the queue.

This will, of course, be open to some abuse (ala the spellcheck bot). But that's where vigilant moderation will have to come into play. Stories and diaries are where the most disruptive abuse occurs. It will, however, allow people to become part of the community at a limited level and would probably encourage more signups in the end.

2)Change the frontpage structure. All original content that survives the queue gets posted to the frontpage. Section will be a place where people can submit short-links to stories generated elsewhere (ala Fark, Digg, /. etc). If people are gonna pay for a site, then the content needs to turn over quickly. I can check anyone of the above sites every couple of hours and get new content. Sometimes, shit doesn't change here for weeks.

Also, attracting new users should always be seen as way of adding value to the community, not a revenue stream. I think that's the spirit in which this is being implemented, but should it be successful, it would be prone to abuse ala Something Awful, the North Korea of the Internet.

Some content upgrades would be nice too. Being able to imbed video and images in diaries would be nice. Again, this would require more vigilant moderation to avoid abuse, but it could make the site more attractive.

Right thing to do, and very interesting. But, sorry: Three years too late, I think.

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Aside from that, the absurd meta-wankery of k5er-quoting sigs probably takes the cake. Especially when the quote itself is about k5. -- tsubame

i were walking a round tha town when the light go black and things start shaking. i wake up then stuff is diffrent.

very nice? i find scary, this.

"Terrorism is only a viable "political activist" method for marginalized nutjobs, bottom line. The backlash that it causes makes it intractable for any reasonable ideology. Which is why you don't generally see wild athiest suicide bombers in america's streets." - lonelyhobo

This site isn't worth half of SomethingAwful's forum cost. Prepare to see your site drop to zero traffic.

--

Blaine, Blaine, James G. Blaine, The Continental Liar from the State of Maine.

I consider the slate clean -- I'm going to proceed as though everyone here is a well-intentioned new user. So, welcome to K5 everyone. No one is going to be banned without any warnings.

Good - can I have my original account back, then? The one that was anonymized at MY request, with a promise (never honored) from you that it would be turned back on if requested?

--

"Happy Easter, and may all the muslims burn in hell" -- insomnyuk

Dear God, I leave for 12 hours and ( none / 1) ( #238)

by tweet on Tue Sep 11, 2007 at 07:21:00 PM EST

Here, Here, my monocled chum! ( 3.00 / 4) ( #243)

by nlscb on Tue Sep 11, 2007 at 09:26:45 PM EST

K5 has never been the same since we let the Irish migrate to the site.

**sips tea made from the tears of children** **steers yacht into the wind**

About time we charged them properly into our great virtual land.

Comment Search has returned - Like a beaten wife, I am pathetically grateful. - mr strange

Welcome to the all new K$5 ( 3.00 / 6) ( #253)

by ennui on Wed Sep 12, 2007 at 02:01:25 AM EST

How mucha that go to CMF?

"You can get a lot more done with a kind word and a gun, than with a kind word alone." -- Al Capone

( @ )'( @ ) The broad masses of a population are more amenable to the appeal of rhetoric than to any other force. - Adolf Hitler

I wonder how many people have paid before me since signups started? I've been trying to become a member for weeks now.

... in this post-9/11 world. And that explains why airplanes carry cargo on small boats floating in their cargo aquarium. -

Stuff happened.

The reason for this is simple: we're all full of shit ~ circletimessquare

I think charging anything to create a new account is a terrible mistake.

Anybody who thinks it's worth $5 probably didn't think that before they'd spent a lot of time here, and anybody new to k5 who sees that it costs $5 to get an account and comment will probably not hang around for too much longer. The net result will be stagnation followed by slow decline, as the "wait and see" period draws to a close and people decide that there's not much worth seeing here any more.

It seems to me that if the problem you have is that the asshole-to-admin ratio is too high, then you should create more admins. There are plenty of people who value k5 and would happily weed out the crapflooders and spellcheck bots, but none of us have the ability to do so.

If I send you some money .... ( 3.00 / 2) ( #274)

by me0w on Wed Sep 19, 2007 at 08:59:38 AM EST

Will you send me some cookies?

Just because you are a crack whore doesn't mean we can't be friends.

this account is for sale ( none / 1) ( #275)

by sllort on Wed Sep 19, 2007 at 10:12:24 PM EST

reply in this thread for bid. starts at $100.

--

Warning: On Lawn is a documented liar.

  • What? by Ta bu shi da yu, 10/16/2007 09:09:06 AM EST ( none / 1)

    • Funny man by sllort, 10/17/2007 12:21:38 AM EST ( none / 1)

I love seeing these idiots gripe. ( none / 1) ( #276)

by Kasreyn on Sat Sep 22, 2007 at 08:28:19 PM EST

Thanks for the entertainment, rusty. :)

"Extenuating circumstance to be mentioned on Judgement Day:

We never asked to be born in the first place."

R.I.P. Kurt. You will be missed.

I visited http://www.well.com/ this morning.

Membership there will cost $10 or $15 each month.

You don't always get what you pay for but you usually pay for what you get.

Omphaloskepsis Often!

Nice move...

By asking a 5$ fee, you know our names, so you know that we are not sock puppets.

But I also have another request..In order to define the community, it is useful to know how many we are ,and especially how many of us are active contributors and readers.

This can be achieved by adding a "last_visited" field in the user's info. Additionally , let us sort all users using this "last_visited" field, in order to be able to define how many are the active ones.

And, the death nail cometh.

... does this mean I can post?

Maybe you didn't delete me... ( none / 1) ( #288)

by Pnarp on Sat Nov 03, 2007 at 11:32:55 PM EST

...but you deleted all my posts! I want 'em back! Where'd they go!? Who ate them!?!?

— Phillip Norbert Årp (Pnårp)

The inmates run the asylum here.

Once you pay $5 for a new account, you get zero rated, your stories get voted down, and you get trolled. Paying $5 for a new account won't fix any of that, and all of that is what is wrong with Kuro5hin in the first place.

It might make more sense to open up new accounts for free, and pay the $5 to get comment rating, story voting, and story submitting privileges. Then charge $5 to unanonymize an account and start annoyimizing accounts for zero rating multiple comments of the same user, using dupes to vote down stories, and spamming the diary and story sessions. I think you'll make more money that way, plus it will try to fix what is wrong with Kuro5hin.

yeah, so I don't think this worked out so well, judging from what we have in the story queue lately.

More asshattery, less moderation!

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someday I'll find something to put here.

I feel better about this account now ( none / 1) ( #292)

by nutate on Fri Dec 05, 2008 at 11:42:54 AM EST

Thanks man. Sure what if I hadn't checked the site (logged in) in... years and years.

I feel like special again, in a way that my 4digit /. id wasn't giving me anymore. Which was probably why I came here in the first place.

hah hah. -rich

Have we "seen what happens" yet? ( 3.00 / 2) ( #293)

by localman on Fri Jan 09, 2009 at 01:56:34 PM EST

'Cause it looks like it isn't working so well.

How many people have paid the $5?

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